tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608925486225415836.post6040355402508977797..comments2023-10-26T13:22:20.653+01:00Comments on Shadows Veil Our Eyes...: for thought and discussion...Geoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02458231323263823715noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608925486225415836.post-70983053259868846622008-07-15T04:03:00.000+01:002008-07-15T04:03:00.000+01:00I like N.T. Wright's approach, which sees the Bibl...I like N.T. Wright's approach, which sees the Bible as a narrative, multi-act play that sets the stage for us. <BR/><BR/>We are constrained by the general characters and trajectories established in our traditions, however we have a lot of room to improvise and "connect" the inherited narrative with the future that we can imagine - through our God-given capacities to dream, create, act, persevere, etc... <BR/><BR/>Maybe it's safe to say that Christianity is an interactive engagement with the world in which we strive to connect our sense of what's relevant from the past to what we believe is relevant now.<BR/><BR/>Of course, "what is relevant" on both fronts will vary from Christian to Christian. However, I do believe that in the bigger picture those faithful to the general "narrative" of the tradition will be working together rather than in opposition. <BR/><BR/>At least I hope so!!!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924845595295500174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608925486225415836.post-75244016989190537392008-07-14T06:17:00.000+01:002008-07-14T06:17:00.000+01:00hehe... Rob, that title would definitely raise som...hehe... Rob, that title would definitely raise some eyebrows!<BR/><BR/>I think you're right Craig, proceeding with caution is vital, and we do need a set of boundaries, but - to be a bit more provocative - I wonder if there's a way to establish both a set of "orthodox" boundaries and a set of "minimal" boundaries? For example, it seems clear enough that Christ's divinity is at least necessary for any discussion of Christianity (if we want more than just an ethical system). But if one holds that Jesus is God but rejects, say, some of the literal explanations of certain miracles... does that make them no longer worthy of the faith?<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, what if one is struggling with their faith and unclear on how to tie it all together? Does a modern day "Arian," for example, have nothing to offer Christianity simply because they hold to an unorthodox view of Christ's divinity?<BR/><BR/>I'm just trying to discern how all of these things fit together... and what doesn't fit. And I'm becoming more and more convinced that much of what we are told "doesn't fit" has less to do with genuine faith and more to do with personal or ideological agendas. I'm trying to figure out where the boundaries are too, I guess.Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02458231323263823715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608925486225415836.post-46258509272859635792008-07-13T06:11:00.000+01:002008-07-13T06:11:00.000+01:00Thanks for the great post, Geoff. I think there sh...Thanks for the great post, Geoff. <BR/><BR/>I think there should be a book entitled, <I>The Inadequacy of Scripture</I> (How's that for a shocker? Think it would it sell?)<BR/><BR/>I'm intrigued by passages that deconstruct notions of 'Sola Scriptura.' For instance, in Romans 10 we read:<BR/><BR/><B>'For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.'<BR/>How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, 'How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!'</B><BR/><BR/>While Paul quoted 'Scripture' to anchor his point, the import of his message here is that preaching (not Scripture) is essential to the spread of the "Gospel." We know that when Paul wrote his letters, the "Gospels" (as written documents) did not exist. Rather, the 'euaggelion' was primarily (as it should be) an oral communication. Christianity spread much, much more by word-of-mouth than by written word.<BR/><BR/>Some of the key controversies in the early Church were between groups that more or less agreed on the canon of 'Scripture.' Interpretations are what divided them. <BR/><BR/>The true 'test' is how we each live out our faith, from moment to moment, through as you say, the struggles and growth involved with - not to sound cliche - "letting go and letting God." I like to believe that this is what Paul was getting at right at the beginning of the same letter: that through the gospel of Christ, <B>"the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith."</B> I.e., we don't have to have it figured out beforehand! <BR/><BR/>Infact, premeditation can be a hindrance to the work of the Spirit of Holiness...<BR/><BR/><B>"...take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." ~ Matt. 10</B><BR/><BR/>But there I go quoting 'Scripture' again! :)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924845595295500174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8608925486225415836.post-2786532451014241572008-07-13T05:08:00.000+01:002008-07-13T05:08:00.000+01:00admittedly, i have not fully processed or allowed ...admittedly, i have not fully processed or allowed what you have written to sink in, but there are definitely things to consider.<BR/><BR/>it is scary to think of a reduced faith, and simpler message. the message we embrace is both simple and complex, it is a paradox and with that we will always live in flux. however, the idea of a message that is too easy or too hard, creates problems in obtaining any sort of common ground, any sort of othrodoxy. <BR/><BR/>if the faith becomes too easy, it runs the risk of being misread, mis-taught and unrecognizable. the same can be said, if it becomes too complex. <BR/><BR/>the search for the middle road is a challenging one--we desire for the faith to be accessible to all (as it should be), but we need (i think) a set of barriers that corral in the message and maintain its purity. that being said, God is ultimate decider, but who is to act in the midst of his physical absence. <BR/><BR/>in To Kill A Mockingbird, harper lee wrote, "sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whiskey bottle in the hand of (another)". ultimately we proceed with caution in our attempts to read it right, to live it right, to do it justice.craig jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07944857733270762191noreply@blogger.com